Or, you know, that the CSM is under NDA, which means they can't tell you if they were consulted and/or agree with it.

That would depend entirely on the specific wording of the NDA, and precisely what it is they're not allowed to disclose, now wouldn't it?

A interceptor can keep a lock at 120 km?

OK. Shows what I know about fitting. But remember, you cannot warp with a running Etonsis link. You have to wait for it to end its cycle. That makes the 2 second align a little less useful.

I'd imagine the sub 2-second align is to get through camps, really.

Sniper ship at zero running a defensive link = dead ceptor. Enough about the ceptors already.

That's odd, my Cerberus ***** on them.

Are yours broken?

They cut corners, that only applies if they inty is straight lining away.

Alternatively, use an orth with 20+km/s light missiles.

And the trollceptor will kill it, right?

Or not.

People are talking about snakes and quafe, what is a missile speed implant against that?

Or I could use a cheapass cruiser and block the link....


Stop the melodrama. Interceptors threaten sprawling, indefensible empires. NOTHING MORE.

Stop being bad, stop derailing with FUD about "trollceptors" and maybe we can all get a decent future.


These phantom interceptors threats are nothing short of a nonsense if you live in your space.

That fact that it takes 50 hulks several hours a day to maintain level 5 index vs a few ratter a couples hours a day to maintain military index is so far into the stupid category it isn't funny

That and you spent how many months revamping Industry, then screwed it up by removing teams with NO restitution, NOW you plan on implementing a sov mechanic based on occupancy and don't take into account ANY industry that goes on in a system.

So basically, shoot red X's or you are ****

Again, an empire of APPROPRIATE SIZE will give zero craps about this.

Funny that.

Like you did with siphons? The same melodrama was used there. And sure, for a while indeed ....then people got bored

So you're gonna provide me content by taking an interceptor roam across provi for four hours and somehow you're going to deny me content... just so I know that you know, what does my main actually do in the game that you're going to deny me of?

Not sure I'd call 200 interceptors avoiding me in my space content tbh.

Just because we fail frequently doesn't mean others automatically win.

Otherwise our 0.0 nightmare would've ended already

This assumes we own systems 10j away. We're not all Goonswarm Federation, with our record bot numbers (Deklein had the highest bot bans at fanfest either last year or the year before that), we don't all "need" a whole region to live in.

Over 9 regions? Best of luck with that. I found a WH to Branch once about a month ago, made it 10 systems (and made over 100m in exploration loot) before I saw another player. And he wasn't even CFC.

Provi is the group that will benefit the most from this change.

The E-link world is a world where you don't need caps/supercaps to take and hold unattractive sov. You don't even need to win most of your PvP engagements to take and hold unattractive sov. The only requirement to take and hold unattractive sov is to be the only group that wants to live in that particular unattractive sov. The only people that seem to want to live in provi is provi. And they are pretty much the definition of a group of people actually living in their space on a daily basis.

The only thing that has kept provi alive this long is that no one took it from them and then made them pay rent, because everyone has a bit of a soft spot for provi and it wasn't worth the risk of accidentally starting a real war with someone important. Post E-links, provi will be forever protected by the fact that their space is simply worthless, and you can no longer force ANYone to pay rent for space your alliance is close to/living in.

Provi will be far safer than it's ever been under this new system.

I detect sarcasm. But please tell me how this 200-man inty fleet is actually going to even START the timer on any structure in Provi? An area of space where CVA members flying brick-tacked armor subcaps will happily sit at 0 with a defensive E-link for 4 hours a day and then RP later in the forums about how they defended the glorious holy empire from heathen invaders?

An area of space where people actually, like... mine. For realz. And run ALL the anomalies, even the crap ones. Their industry and military indexes across the region are non-zero! Your inty fleet will need 20 to 30 minutes to E-link a single structure almost anywhere, which will be defended by 10 CVA RP diehards in spider-tanked Mallers who can absolutely out-RP you in local chat the entire time.

I'm pretty sure provi residents won't be the first to break under this scenario.

The fundamental reality of the E-link mechanic is that you don't have to be organized, rich, OR GOOD to defend your sov from harassment provided you actively live there. All you have to do is login regularly, fly in space, and be ready to defensive E-link in cheap disposable ships anything people try to drive-by-flip in an inty gang.

Sure, provibloc still won't be able to do much against anyone that actually wanted to take and HOLD their sov. But 11 years of EVE have shown us that absolutely no one wants to take and hold their sov, and there's no reason to think that's going to change. And CVA will no longer have to live with the threat that someone comes to take their sov once, at random, and then rents it back to them, because far-flung rental empires are untenable when anyone in a T1 cruiser fleet can reclaim sov in two days if you aren't around to defend it.

Why do I sense a "please don't throw me into the briar patch" thing going on here.
You just described something the goons of olde would have done, being more about mayhem than ISK. I've been privately told by long time goons that they are not happy with the status quo ISK happy goons.

The goons of years ago would have loved these new SOV mechanics and it would be back to "OMG! Bees!"

The 200-man inty fleet that was proposed won't be able to do any of this. They can be effectively countered by a small T1 spider tanking cruiser fleet running a couple of defensive E-links on those ihubs/stations. (EDIT: or, if those inty's spread out to try and flip more timers at once, by a anyone in a noobship defensive E-linking across the whole region where they already live and fly daily).

This kind of daily razing of Provi would require considerably stronger forces than a roaming inty gang to have any effect, because it is trivial to defend against unless you actually bring a fleet capable of controlling the grid. The bogeyman of the 200-man roaming inty fleet is a total strawman to anyone actually living in their sov space.

Now, does Provi need to worry about a 200-man Ishtar fleet coming through and razing their sov? Sure, but with no strong cap/supercap fleet of their own, they pretty much ALREADY have to worry about that. And that certainly isn't the 200-man inty gang that started this particular convo.

Renters already own the space in all but name only. The moment they don't need to pay for supercap fleet leases, yes, they will take the space in name too.

No, hiseccers will not come to null. I never claimed they would. I don't see this doing much to increase the population of null; just to make it somewhat more lively and interesting and engaging for those living there already. That said, a lot of WH corps might come to null. I know ours is considering it.



I think you are missing a key element here. People currently come to provi for these kinds of fights because it never has a risk of escalating into a supercap sov battle. They pretty much have no other targets ATM that come risk-free like that.

Once this change goes live, provi is going to become a lot quieter in general. Why would Goons fly 40j to provi space with their 200-man inty fleet when FA is NEXT DOOR? They no longer have to worry about every single sov skirmish escalating into a supercap structure grinding nightmare war. They can just shoot at FA's border systems while FA shoots at their border systems and get all that same fun combat right at home, without every single conflict escalating into structure grinds and 3 month supercap tidi fights.

I agree this change would suck immensely for provi if the status quo of every large alliance day-tripping to provi space to get their pvp fix and in order to just keep harassing you guys remained unchanged. But I honestly believe people will quickly realize that, with supercaps and structure grinds out of the picture, they can have a lot more fun harassing their barely-blue neighbors once again instead.

Won't save you guys from Brave though :)

For those who are claiming they will take over half the galaxy in 40 minutes with their swarms of interceptors; what are your plans for protecting your space while you are away? Do you honestly think no one will do the same thing to you?

Yeah, they definitely need to scale primetimes with sov size...


24hrs primetime if you hold over 3 regions sounds fine to me

Force Sov bonuses to only apply to current members of the holding alliance = holding alliances are useless for actually using the space unless you're a member of that holding alliance.

Add a week delay to using entosis links after jumping alliance = can't just jump around your pvpers from alliance to alliance as needed.

Make Sov bonuses only apply during your primetime period = US tz players won't be able to use EU tz alliances sov effectively (edit: unless they extend the primetime period to cover both groups.)

Keep dancing.

Minig belts? Making stuff and selling it on trade hubs? Allow line members and smaller corps in your alliance to own reaction POSes? How about industry, invention and ancient relic invention(since slots are gone there shouldnt be a problem with "not enough stations")? Maybe allowing neuts to dock in your stations and trade with you instead of just exporting moon goo?

You know, red crosses arent the only source of income in this game.

The idea that your line members WON'T take out 30 HACs on a whim and start actually reinforcing all your blue neighbors is hilarious. Of COURSE they will, just as soon as they get bored of burning all the dead sov with their trollceptor fleets first (which will quickly become pointless once they start hitting space with people actively living there).

You know why that works now? Because the only people that can feasibly **** with blues are cap and supercap pilots, which is a small fraction of the alliance. Further, they actually have to put very expensive ships on the line to do it, and the result will be getting those ships either welped by the enemy or simply popped by blues as punishment before they kick you out in very embarrassing, very expensive killmails.

After the change? Every single one of your line members flying cheap subcaps can go do this. They won't need SRP, they won't care if they welp the fleet, and if you kick them out, I'm curious to know who is going to actually do the work of defending YOUR sov every day? You were counting on those line members living in each system to login 4 hours a day and defensive E-link on demand. You think your small % of supercap pilots are going to pick up the slack after you've kicked out 50% of the subcap line members who wanted to get actual fights once in a while without having to fly all the way down to Provi?

That's a LOT of iskies in moon goo that most line members never get to touch.

One big enough to have active members in all (read: spread out over most) of the systems they own. That can be 100 or 100,000, it depends how many systems they are trying to hold. A hundred (active) guys could likely hold a constellation, 100,000 could likely keep multiple regions safe.